What products to use for Glowing Skin ✨ with Anna Mitsios of Edible Beauty

Today I chat with Anna Mitsios, a naturopath, nutritionist and founder of Edible Beauty Australia. We talk about the importance of holistic skincare through Edible Beauty, exploring common skin issues faced by women, the significance of using the right products, and the impact of gut health. Anna shares insights on key natural ingredients that benefit skin health and emphasises the connection between internal wellness and external beauty. She also highlights the role of lifestyle choices in achieving healthy skin and the exciting future innovations in skincare that Edible Beauty is working on.

Top Tips from this episode are:

• Dull skin can result from not using suitable products or neglecting self-care
• Edible Beauty simplifies skincare routines with easy-to-follow steps
• Natural ingredients like plant-based vitamin C and niacinamide are crucial for skin health
• Gut health directly impacts skin health through nutrient absorption and hormone regulation
• The gut-skin connection is vital for addressing skin issues like hormonal acne perioral dermatitis and rosacea
• Edible Beauty products focus on both internal and external beauty
• Lifestyle changes can significantly enhance skin health alongside topical treatments
• Holistic approaches to skincare can empower women to take control of their beauty journey

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Transcript

Elise Ingegneri (01:41.769)
Tell us what's the main causes of dull skin and skin problems that women are having and how can we actually use Edible Beauty to help our skin glow.

Anna (02:08.588)
It's such a good question and I see a lot of women with this problem and a lot of the time they just don't know what they're doing wrong because like you and I they're on social media they're to podcast, they're listening to information out there on beauty and they're trying lots of different products and they just don't know what to do for their skin and

To be completely honest with you, the one thing that I see as being one of the major issues is that they're just not finding the right products for their skin. So this might be either that they're trying too many products, they're trying too many actives, or they're still using products which, you know, they may be thinking are natural, but potentially they're not, and they have things which are causing that sensitivity or causing them to have that...

dull lackluster skin because their skin is just not enjoying the product. I see this happening. So I guess to answer your question, it's mainly seeing that women are not using the right products for their skin and probably because it's so hard to navigate the skincare world these days and there's a lot of confusing information out there. But also sometimes, and as you would know, Elise, we're just sometimes not looking after ourselves as we do our children or as we do our partners even where...

know, preparing all the meals for the family, but sometimes we're just not looking after our own selves in the way that we should. So we might be going for long stretches of time without eating proper food, or might be turning to the coffee a little bit too much. All of those things, which are almost just so, so common, but I see happening quite a lot with women and their skin.

Elise Ingegneri (03:48.371)
Yeah, I think that's such a big part of motherhood, the whole of motherhood, early motherhood, or whether you're a busy woman who's working, all of that. I love that Edible Beauty has, you've created this range that kind of simplifies it. So it definitely is, you focus on inside and outside, so topical as well as internally, which I personally believe is really important too, based on my own journey.

But I've tried Edible Beauty and you've actually got it set up in like steps. So it's you know, one, two, three, four. And that simplifies it because when you're getting up you're tired or you're like, I just want to go and lay in bed or crash out for the night, but I have to do my skincare. It's like quick one, two, three, four, and I'm done.

Anna (04:28.287)
Yeah.

Elise Ingegneri (04:34.075)
And that's personally something that I found really helpful. So I think like coming from how you've created it, you've obviously been through that experience yourself and that was like a key part of what you wanted to create.

Anna (04:46.24)
It's so true. I was never really huge into beauty when I fell into it. As you mentioned, I was a naturopath at a fertility clinic and literally what drove me to do this was that I was wanting something super pure and I was literally using things like vitamin, E oil and like really, really simple things on my skin. But recognizing that we need all of those antioxidants, we need the formulations that are going to be right for us and we don't want to...

make it into this massive effort because we've got a lot of efforts going on in other parts of our lives. So yeah, literally the steps do make it super simple and I guess the beauty with our range as well is that you can make it more complicated depending on whether you want it to be or not. You can just strip it down to our core essentials and that's what a lot of women do tend to do, especially when they're going through.

busy time, little ones or toddlers and so on, just want to make it super simple and yet effective at the same time.

Elise Ingegneri (05:47.601)
Yeah, so what are the, you said you've got your core products there. What are the key ingredients, natural ingredients, because obviously you've done a lot of research in setting all of this up based on your experience as a naturopath. What are the key ingredients that you see have the biggest impact on skin conditions for women our age?

Anna (06:07.254)
that's a really good question. Actually, I don't know that many people have asked me that question. That is amazing. You know what? I will firstly, people think that, you know, sometimes going going super raw with their skincare, like just putting on coconut oil onto their skin is great. And I would say that's that's not a good idea. So what I see working well in our formulations is a blend of nourishing oils, which you'll see in a lot of our formulas.

Elise Ingegneri (06:11.54)
What?

Elise Ingegneri (06:23.891)
one

Anna (06:33.346)
So we love our fatty acids and we love restoring that hydration and that barrier. So we're always using things like shea and cocoa butter and camellia seed oil, but we formulate it in such a way that it's not just gonna sit on the skin and make your skin greasy. It's actually being absorbed into the dermis. So oils I absolutely love, but again, being careful in sort of combining them in the right way. And then things, really simple things again, which we've all heard about, but plant-based vitamin C I love.

Plant-based vitamin C being, you know, essential for boosting collagen and for brightening the skin. And then there's a bunch of actives which at levels that we use are really amazing for restoring the skin but don't cause sensitivity. As an example, I love using niacinamide, which is a vitamin B, but instead of using it at like really super super doses like you may find in some conventional products,

We use it at a slightly lower dose, which means that we're still getting the benefits, but we're making it more appropriate for all skin types. So we're getting that pore refining, the smoothing of the skin tone and so on. So I love the niacinamide. I love the plant-based vitamin C. I'm a bit obsessed with squalane. I love restoring the fats back into the skin. So squalane is one of my favorites and we use that in our reset drops. And then hyaluronic acid, of course, we all love and we use two types which help to...

penetrate the skin but also sit on the surface layer of the skin. And then there's so many Australian extracts which I absolutely love and we use a lot of them, Desert Lime, Davidson Plum, everyone's heard of Kakadu Plum. I always tell people that, you know, that they used to be sort of trendy. 10 years ago there was this big A beauty trend and then we all sort of forgot about them and I try and remind people of why they're so good and when I talk about them I say look,

Can you imagine, like a dirt track road, 100 kilometres out of civilisation and there's a plant that's just growing there and it's growing just on its own with no farming, no one watering it. And imagine how strong that plant is to be able to survive that environment that it's living in. And imagine if we can trap some of those molecules and transport them into our skincare and how hydrating and preserving...

Anna (08:49.678)
and anti-aging, those ingredients will be when we put them on our skin. And so that's the beauty of the Australian Aids, which we use. as you can imagine, it's so powerful. And we use over 15, so I absolutely love those as well. So sorry, that wasn't a simple answer, but there's a bunch of things that I really love.

Elise Ingegneri (09:06.909)
No, but it's interesting, I love it. I especially love the Australian ingredients. Like that's really cool and I can picture it the way that you're describing it. I mean, that's where I want my ingredients to come from.

Anna (09:15.819)
Yeah!

I know, I know sometimes we sort of lose a bit of focus and we might say, look, there's organic blueberries in the formula and that sounds great. But when you think about that, it's been conventionally farmed in an, well not conventionally, but it's been farmed, traditionally farmed in an organic environment, but it's not really having to fight, it's being sort of pampered. But those Aussie ones are really growing that harsh environment and so they're super, super strong and super active. And there's a bunch of studies that are being done on them and have been done.

and we use those and we make sure that we're getting all of those really powerful results from the ingredients that we're using.

Elise Ingegneri (09:55.867)
really cool. I think you would also see such benefits from such a beautiful organic ingredient because from my experience I've had a horrible journey with perioral dermatitis, had hormonal acne and the dermatitis was like all up my face, all down my neck, like on my eyelids and I remember the dermatologist telling me to just completely stop using anything so anything and so it was just using

Anna (10:19.38)
anything.

Elise Ingegneri (10:23.359)
literally just water on a microfiber cloth, no makeup and that's really hard when you've got skin and I mean true it did help alongside medication at the time but I think it feels much more comfortable if you're coming from a place of having such horrible skin conditions and then you've been told by a medical professional or a health professional to just completely pull everything back to then start using ingredients that

Anna (10:28.13)
Wow.

Anna (10:32.128)
It did help. Yeah.

Elise Ingegneri (10:51.433)
feel really natural and you know where they've come from, it almost feels more comfortable. It's well, I guess for me it did. Yeah.

Anna (10:57.888)
It does feel more safe, doesn't it? More reassuring, yeah. And I do hear you, I hear these stories quite often about people being told, you know, don't use anything and then that creates a little bit more of that stress, doesn't it, for you? They're thinking, well, what can I use? And then sometimes being told you can use some things, but they're obviously not the most, you know, natural products as well.

Elise Ingegneri (11:12.105)
Mmm.

Anna (11:23.154)
So yeah, your journey is really interesting and I think that periordial metitis is something I'm seeing pop up quite a lot. Yeah, I'm so pleased that you got, your skin looks glowing now. So so pleased that you've moved past that. Yeah, looks fantastic.

Elise Ingegneri (11:36.047)
well, you know, I am wearing makeup today. but the goal isn't the goal that we could all just go out without makeup. But really interestingly, the journey of having perioral dermatitis taught me that I can go out without makeup, you know, and I think that's such an inner dialogue that we need to work on with ourselves.

Anna (11:54.528)
Yes.

Anna (12:01.422)
completely, and I think people are always so self-conscious of their skin and feel like they need to cover it up in some ways, don't they, as well? But I get some beautiful stories of women who've used makeup all their life and then they start, you know, actually healing their skin and they don't have to and it feels like, you know, literally that sort of mask comes off and they're sort of natural and sort of free in their own skin, but...

I hear you. Yeah, we feel like there's a bit of an expectation, there, that we've all got amazing skin and for whatever reason and just by best effort sometimes we just don't.

Elise Ingegneri (12:36.873)
That's right. Well, one thing that I'd love to chat to you about is gut health. Gut health is like buzzing in the wellness community right now, which I think is really cool. It's nice that everyone's starting to take more notice of gut health and how it impacts our skin and everything. So from your perspective as a naturopath, can you explain to us the direct impact on our skin?

Anna (12:41.858)
Yes. Yes.

Anna (12:53.784)
Yes.

Anna (13:01.322)
Yeah, and I love this question as well because again, it's something I'm finding that people are talking a lot about, they don't understand directly the impact of the gut on the skin. So there's a couple of different ways that it can influence our skin. Firstly, when you think about the gut, it's where we're absorbing all our nutrients. So we're having all of our vitamin C, we're having all of our fats, and we're having all of those things that zinc that are going to benefit.

skin health, but if we're not actually absorbing those because our gut may be damaged the lining may be Impaired or we may have something like gut dysbiosis It means that we're not actually absorbing those nutrients and even more so the skin becomes impacted because normally the skin is one of the Almost one of the last things that gets nourished in the body because a lot of those nutrients will go to other parts of the body

So if we've got an impaired gut, normally what we'll find is that our skin and our hair are sometimes the first things that we get the results showing within. that's firstly, one of the reasons it impacts our health. Secondly, it's a little bit simplistic, but the gut being where we sort of absorb food, but then we also remove food and it passes through our colon. And if we've got a sluggish digestive system,

Elise Ingegneri (13:59.038)
Anna (14:28.422)
then it means that food's not passing through correctly, it's not actually being excreted properly. And I say that, you know, that those toxins, if you like, need to be excreted somewhere. And sometimes the skin is one of the outlets where we see, you know, those eruptions and things because things aren't moving properly throughout our gut. And then the other association is that

Elise Ingegneri (14:42.495)
Hmm.

Anna (14:54.722)
that gut and skin microbiome are really intricately linked. And when we look at patients who have rosacea or acne, we can see certain gut bacteria that are present in their gut or not present in their gut, and that's really impacting their skin microbiome. So there's that gut skin access. And then lastly, and probably maybe most importantly, is that the gut is where we actually have a lot of our hormone regulation and balance occurring.

Elise Ingegneri (14:58.239)
No.

Anna (15:22.542)
So there's even a part of the gut called the estrobalome where we actually regulate a lot of our estrogen. And so if we're not nourishing that part of the gut and the gut's not nourished enough, then we can find that there's an imbalance in our hormones as a result of that. And so that gut and hormone connection then leads into a lot of issues with our skin as well. And one of the ones we see quite a lot is that estrogen or testosterone imbalance then

showing up as oily or congested skin or acne or PCOS, then showing as a lot of acne around the chin area as well. So there's that regulation of sebum and that hormone balance which comes from the gut that impacts our skin health. So yeah, there's only a few different ways that it's impacted, but I find that when we focus on our gut, obviously a lot of these things do restore.

Elise Ingegneri (16:20.991)
That's so interesting. don't think I've ever heard it described in that way before. way, yeah, no, Like it was very, it made sense to me. I don't think, yeah, I'm not sure.

Anna (16:32.85)
amazing, good, good. It is a little bit complicated, yeah, but I think that, good, I'm glad. I do love gut health and I've been focused on gut health since, you know, since I have some, I've been diagnosed as a type 1 diabetic many years ago and I've been focused on my gut quite a lot, but I do find that there is this rise in autoimmune conditions as well where people are seeing their skin impacted and

we always link that back to the gut as well. So there's so many different connections, but it is really so fascinating and so amazing when you can heal it. And you can often do this pretty easily in my mind.

Elise Ingegneri (17:04.607)
you

Elise Ingegneri (17:16.681)
And I heard something recently to say that the bacteria, and it's aligned with what you just said, the bacteria in our gut directly impacts the hormones and the bacteria actually feeds the hormones. And then the hormones will impact how that comes out in your skin, right? So it's, isn't that crazy?

Anna (17:30.754)
Yes.

Anna (17:34.874)
Yes, that's spot on. I know, as you can imagine these little parts of your gut where there's like probiotics, feeding, you know, like all of this little interaction happening and we just have no idea but yeah, it's mind-blowing how their body works.

Elise Ingegneri (17:52.799)
So then what products have you created to help us from the inside out? If we are just wanting to start, if we're thinking okay I need to start focusing on the inside, what can we do?

Anna (18:04.236)
Yep. well, I absolutely love our, it's called our InEssential Skin and Gut Renew. And what I wanted to do with our InEssential products is to really make that link between wellness and skin health. And so this gut and skin product really works on those two axes we've been talking about. It helps to restore the gut lining. It helps to move things along. So it's wonderful for anyone who has that.

Elise Ingegneri (18:29.151)
Mmm.

Anna (18:33.346)
sluggish digestive system, but also has antioxidants and nutrients that we can absorb through our gut to help our skin. And the other one I really love for our inner well-being is our native collagen booster. And people think collagen and they turn too often to marine or bovine collagen. We've taken a bit of a different approach and the approach is using more of the building blocks of collagen and that being things like vitamin C and antioxidants.

Elise Ingegneri (18:51.423)
Yeah.

Anna (19:01.696)
And by doing that, we help the body actually create its own collagen, but also we help the body to reduce that free radical damage by slowing down the depletion of collagen. And we also do another thing, which is we start to help the skin repair itself with all of that vitamin C. So I find that that's an amazing product for anyone who has the...

the acne or the rosacea or the redness because it's helping to strengthen the skin barrier to get that wound healing accelerated and to also obviously help with that firmness and skin elasticity which more of our mature people want with their skin products or wellness products. So they're my two favorites, our gut powder and our native collagen booster.

Elise Ingegneri (19:34.377)
Yeah.

Elise Ingegneri (19:51.539)
It sounds like they're coming more from the basis of the problem. It's not just taking collagen to kind of hope that it's going to fix something. It's really helping the body. Yeah.

Anna (20:00.056)
That's a good way of explaining it. So good. Yeah. It's sort of like that band-aid solution, isn't it? Like you don't have collagen, just give yourself collagen. kind of, yeah, exactly. It's a of a simplistic view, isn't it? But yeah, we're sort of addressing the underlying cause and giving us, you know, either healing the gut or giving us a building box to create that because when we're stressed or when we've got hormone imbalances, we're often really depleted in things like the vitamin C and so on.

Elise Ingegneri (20:05.445)
Yeah, I'm on collagen, yeah.

Elise Ingegneri (20:27.58)
Do you find that there is a higher positive result from women who use both the internal like the products you just mentioned and the topical treatments or if we're just going to start? Yeah

Anna (20:39.43)
definitely. 100 % Yeah, their results are just like accelerated and I find that also they almost set the intention of trying to address the underlying problem rather than almost just masking it with putting something on their skin. So I find that, yes, definitely. what I actually love doing is, you know, other than just the product

Elise Ingegneri (20:56.626)
and

Elise Ingegneri (21:00.937)
Yeah.

Anna (21:07.854)
I do these mini consults on our site where I actually give people lifestyle and dietary recommendations. So more than just taking products, but it's like, yeah. And some of the things I love suggesting are things like, you having enough essential fatty acid that you're having your aloe vera juice if you've got a sluggish digestive system? What else can you do? And it's not just about edible beauty products. It's about like, do you need more zinc? Do you need...

Elise Ingegneri (21:17.328)
awesome.

Anna (21:36.974)
Do you need the amigas? And we often use a plant-based omega or flaxseed oil. Do you need more fiber? Do you need a vegetable gold? Do you need a sell? You know, all of those things. And I find that people will embrace it and they just, they know, you know, most of time we know that we're not just going to get the results with popping on a product because most of the time we've done that numerous times and we spend a lot of money on that normally. And we just need that.

Elise Ingegneri (21:59.544)
and

Anna (22:05.94)
extra support or help that's going to help our skin.

Elise Ingegneri (22:10.335)
That's right. Do you have to do testing to figure out those things or can you just kind of gauge those things by chatting through the problems with someone?

Anna (22:21.484)
That's a really good question and I think for me it depends on how complex or how long standing and chronic the problem has been. And also if it's something like cystic chronic acne then we really want to do more testing, we want to do the hormone testing, we want to do the gut microbiome mapping. But if it's something as simple as a little bit of redness then I can make some judgements as to what I think is going on based on other symptoms as well. So I'd say like.

Elise Ingegneri (22:32.191)
Yes.

Anna (22:47.958)
Yeah, sometimes we do do testing if the problem is more long standing or serious. But if it's something more simple and surface layer, then there's a lot of things I know that we can go to that, you know, often will fix the problem without extensive testing.

Elise Ingegneri (23:04.455)
Yeah, that's great because it means that you can just start straight away. You know, they can come on your website. And speaking of that, something that I've tried on your website is the new AI tool. So artificial intelligence tool, which actually is really brilliant because I guess, you know, you could take it further and have a consultation with you to go deeper. But this AI tool, you know, it asks you a whole bunch of questions to do with your skincare and your lifestyle.

Anna (23:16.19)
Yeah.

Elise Ingegneri (23:32.551)
and then it will actually tell you the products that it recommends, which I just think is mind blowing.

Anna (23:36.206)
cool. Yeah, I'm so glad you've mentioned that, and so glad you find it helpful. And the reason we love this is because I want to be helping as many people as I can with their skin. And I've trained, her name's Ava, I've trained Ava, I've trained Ava, sounds like Hannah with a V. I've trained Ava to...

Elise Ingegneri (23:54.941)
That's right, Ava.

Yeah, that's cool!

Anna (24:04.588)
to know what to ask and what products to recommend. And she obviously has her own AI intellect, which means that she's got a broad knowledge of what helps with many conditions. And so she can make the recommendations. So yeah, definitely for anyone who's wanting those quick answers, she can be super helpful. And she does obviously have the knowledge that we've given her in some way, and she's built on that. So yeah, that is a helpful tool for us.

As I said, if your problem is a little bit more complex and you feel like you need a bit more support and we need to do more, yeah, then you can book the consult. And it's a quick one, but I can often give some really good advice within those 15 to 20 minutes as well.

Elise Ingegneri (24:38.815)
you

Elise Ingegneri (24:42.537)
Mmm.

Elise Ingegneri (24:53.104)
I love that. I love everything you share and I can tell that you just have this genuine place in your heart to help women with their skin and just feel good within themselves. It's so nice.

Anna (25:03.942)
it's the biggest gift. Yeah, I know. Just getting those emails from people saying, you know, like they immediately feel like their skin's being nourished. just by spending time with someone to understand what's going on rather than, you know, being push products all the time. feel like, you know, as women, we're targets for this, aren't we? So if someone's genuinely...

Elise Ingegneri (25:09.886)
Aww.

Anna (25:28.874)
being helped then they're results and they just feel that confidence that comes from having better skin but even just from taking complexity out I mean even that's one thing but then they do have such amazing transformation results and stories to share which always is such a gift.

Elise Ingegneri (25:48.531)
Yeah absolutely it's the testimonials afterwards that people connect with isn't it.

Anna (25:53.79)
Yeah, definitely, and they do make it all worthwhile.

Elise Ingegneri (25:58.911)
So what's coming up for you and Edible Beauty? Do you have anything exciting that you think we all need to jump on that's going to help us with our glow?

Anna (26:10.084)
my gosh, just a couple of things. We don't only do this, but we've got a big November of new launches. There's something wrapped up in a bit of a sale period as well. So keep our eye on November and then we've got something super exciting coming next year as well, which is for our customers who are wanting to take that sort of youth boosting benefits of

natural ingredients and sort of revolutionary ingredients and we've got a sort of Australia first of something coming in January. yes, I know it's super exciting and yeah, I think again this particular product does go more into the sort of cellular health and cellular aging and all of this kind of thing which is really topical at the moment from a digestible perspective.

Elise Ingegneri (26:44.031)
cool, I can't wait!

Anna (27:05.632)
So yeah, there's some exciting things coming and yeah, I'm always loving, know, dabbling in what's new and trying out what our customers will like and they're really developing that into something that I feel is going to add some value.

Elise Ingegneri (27:20.095)
that's so cool. Do you actually get to go and help with the formulators and see how everything's pulled together?

Anna (27:27.79)
Yeah, yeah, I love being involved in that. So I do actually guide a lot of that formulation process where I'm not a cosmetic chemist, so where I do need some support is more with the preservation systems and things like that. But yeah, I do get very involved in all of that process. So it's one of the favourite things for me to get involved in all of that.

Elise Ingegneri (27:48.819)
How cool. What an awesome career path.

Anna (27:50.358)
Yes. I know. Never thought I'd be in it, but there you go. Yes.

Elise Ingegneri (27:54.143)
Yes, quickly before we go, did you ever think that when you became, when you started to be a naturopath, did you think that this is where you would end up or did you want to do this?

Anna (28:04.914)
No, no, I had no idea. So I feel like, yeah, people just need to be open minded as to where they go. But I did feel a very strong passion to create something that was super pure. And this is where it's led me. But no, I think, though, at the core is that, you know, I do want to continue to help people with their health and I don't want it to be just a superficial topical.

Elise Ingegneri (28:10.335)
Hmm.

Anna (28:27.883)
skincare sort of product push, but I do want to sort of ensure that we're still looking, I still feel like I'm a naturopath in terms of wanting to look at people's health holistically and assist them with that as well. So yeah, I never expected it, but yeah, I'm not complaining. It has definitely, yeah, it's a lot of fun and it's a great industry to be in.

Elise Ingegneri (28:39.56)
Yeah.

Elise Ingegneri (28:44.093)
Yeah, I know. It's worked out for the better, hasn't it?

Elise Ingegneri (28:52.841)
So if there's someone listening who is ready to just take the leap, to focus on the inside and the outside beauty, where can they find you? Where can they find edible beauty?

Anna (29:03.212)
Definitely jump on the site, www.ediblebeautyaustralia.com and I'd go to the chat bot and just book in a consult with me. But if you're in a hurry, use Ava as you did Elise and she'll be able to guide you with your product recommendations. We've got a whole bunch of information that I've written on the website as well. So there's a lot of posts on

Elise Ingegneri (29:09.31)
Yes.

Elise Ingegneri (29:20.863)
Thank you.

Anna (29:29.262)
what to look out for with going toxin free, different skin concerns. Have a look at the blogs as well as they've got a wealth of information there.

Elise Ingegneri (29:39.123)
Yeah, awesome. And sometimes you just need that. You need to be able to read a little bit of information relating to your condition before understanding kind of what to do next.

Anna (29:51.06)
It does actually help and almost having sometimes an independent view is I'm sure what you did at least with your healing journeys, you want to just strip it back, know the facts of what's going on and I think sometimes even with the skin conditions when we just see a dermatologist and they've got a certain view but then you know there's a lot of different views but I think always understanding and be it skin or be it something else understanding the condition first can just really empower you and help you to make the right decisions.

Elise Ingegneri (29:58.569)
Hmm.

Elise Ingegneri (30:14.377)
Hmm. Yeah.

And you may not know, for example, perioral dermatitis, you could think that it's just being caused because of something topically. then if you went, this is from my experience, if you just went to the dermatologist and they said, take this antibiotic or whatever, you'd say fine. But until you educate yourself and then realize actually it's not caused from something topically, I mean, it could be aggravated by environmental toxins, but it's actually my body trying to.

Anna (30:27.704)
Yes. Yes.

Elise Ingegneri (30:45.449)
communicate with me that something's happening from the inside out. So I think sometimes you just need that little like twig in your thought process to help then.

Anna (30:50.19)
Thank

Anna (30:55.412)
Exactly. Was yours linked to something gut related, at least or stress or? Yeah.

Elise Ingegneri (30:59.377)
I think both. I was in a stressful situation. think mine was definitely linked to hormones. Like I'd come off the pill and it was a few months after I'd come off the pill and I was working in a very toxic, like I was doing nails. I was a nail technician so I was always around chemicals. And if you think about that way, yes the chemicals were hitting my skin but I was probably ingesting a lot of chemicals as well.

Anna (31:07.63)
moments as well.

Anna (31:18.881)
Yeah!

Anna (31:26.766)
interesting them.

Elise Ingegneri (31:28.911)
And I was just in a state of like inflammation and terrible gut health at that time. Yeah.

Anna (31:34.198)
Yeah, yeah. how amazing that that was your call to change path. incredible. wow. Yeah, no, I think you're right. That's such good advice, though, is looking at your situation and understanding, you know, what is the trigger for this condition? And could it be just something other than maybe just something superficial and topical, which, you know, maybe sometimes we're told.

Elise Ingegneri (31:41.055)
Totally. Yeah. Yeah.

Elise Ingegneri (32:00.161)
Yeah, well thank you so much. I have loved chatting to you. I could chat to you all day and pick your brain.

Anna (32:06.53)
Thank you, Elise. thank you for having me and thank you for doing your amazing work sharing all of this. I know it takes a lot of time and commitment and you're doing amazingly and you're the community of women. I'm so lucky to have you doing this. Thank you.

Elise Ingegneri (32:23.849)
Thank you, I love it. I feel grateful that I get to do it. It's my happy place.